Channel Title: No Small Endeavor Channel Description: What does it mean to live a good life? What is true happiness? How do we not just cope, but flourish? No Small Endeavor, formerly known as Tokens Show, examines these questions with host Lee C. Camp, and investigates the inseparable link between a good life and the pressing questions of society, culture, and the common good. You'll hear from best-selling authors, philosophers, scientists, artists, psychologists, theologians and even the occasional politician—courageous, impassioned people taking seriously the question of how to live a good life. Striving for a good life is No Small Endeavor, and we’re here with you on the road. nosmallendeavor.com <video> 188: Unabridged Interview: Kelly Corrigan Description: This is our unabridged interview with Kelly Corrigan. “What percentage of all pain in the world is related to wanting to belong?”  Kelly Corrigan - who you may know as a New York Times bestselling author and the host of a number of popular radio and TV shows - was a young mother of two when she and her beloved father were both diagnosed with cancer. It was, to say the least, an immensely difficult time.  Yet, she found her way through it by relying heavily on her tendency to be vulnerable, rather than hiding her pain from others. “It's just fodder for us to be closer,” she says of her suffering. “The point is to connect.” In this episode, she shares her story, along with much wisdom gleaned from a life of leaning into vulnerability.  Show Notes  Resources mentioned this episode:  “Tell Me More” by Kelly Corrigan (https://amzn.to/3Fv9Ofx)  “The Middle Place” by Kelly Corrigan (https://amzn.to/46KAvJ9)  “Tell Me More” on PBS (https://www.pbs.org/show/tell-me-more-kelly-corrigan/)  Kelly Corrigan Wonders Podcast (https://www.kellycorrigan.com/podcast)  Similar NSE episodes:  Amy Grant: Fame, Vulnerability, and Staying Grounded (https://nosmallendeavor.com/blog/Amy-grant)  William Paul Young: Author of The Shack (https://nosmallendeavor.com/blog/paul-young-bestofnse)  Curt Thompson: The Power of Being Known (https://nosmallendeavor.com/blog/curt-thompson)  PDF of Lee's Interview Notes (https://assets.speakcdn.com/assets/2962/kelly_corrigan_interview_notes.pdf)  Transcript of Abridged Episode (https://www.nosmallendeavor.com/kelly-corrigan-the-power-of-vulnerability)  Want more NSE? 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What if there’s a better way to live a full, fruitful life?  "The world is bursting with wonder,” says Oliver Burkeman, “and yet it's the rare productivity guru who seems to have considered the possibility that the ultimate point of all our frenetic doing might be to experience more of that wonder."  In this episode, he discusses his New York Times Bestselling book 4000 Weeks: Time Management for Mortals, dispelling many contemporary ideas about productivity, and instead suggesting a wonder-fueled, counterintuitive method for flourishing in the world.  Show Notes  Resources mentioned this episode:  "Four Thousand Weeks" by Oliver Burkeman (https://amzn.to/49GbTUm)  "The Antidote" by Oliver Burkeman (https://amzn.to/41Fmvkq)  “A Testament of Devotion” by Thomas Raymond Kelly (https://amzn.to/407cQPq)    Catherine Andrews, "Why You're Going About Recovering from Perfectionism All Wrong (https://shorturl.at/1k0Dx) "  Similar NSE episodes:  Seven Ways to Ruin Your Life: Rebecca DeYoung (https://shorturl.at/9Mahq)  The Ruthless Elimination of Hurry: John Mark Comer (https://shorturl.at/gIamP)  The Power of Sabbath Rest: Judith Shulevitz (https://shorturl.at/aiq3Y)  PDF of Lee's Interview Notes (https://assets.speakcdn.com/assets/2962/oliver_burkeman_interview_notes.pdf)  Transcript of Abridged Interview (https://shorturl.at/zskUE)  This episode of No Small Endeavor is sponsored by Dwell—the audio bible app. To get 25% off your subscription visit dwellbible.com/nse (https://dwellbible.com/nse)  Want more NSE? 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(https://nosmallendeavor.supportingcast.fm/) Our subscriber only community with bonus episodes designed specifically to help you live a good life, ad-free listening, and discounts on live shows  Subscribe to episodes: Apple (https://shorturl.at/fiS3v) | Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/show/1qxyysbo7hINyfd4W4LoOs) | Amazon (https://shorturl.at/xWnfk) | Google (https://tinyurl.com/braggmgmt) | YouTube (https://tinyurl.com/nseyt) Follow Us: Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/nosmallendeavor/) | Twitter (https://twitter.com/NoSmallEndeavor) | Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/NoSmallEndeavor) | YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/tokensshow) Follow Lee: Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/leeccamp/) | Twitter (https://twitter.com/leeccamp) Join our Email List: nosmallendeavor.com (https://nosmallendeavor.com/)  See Privacy Policy: Privacy Policy (https://nosmallendeavor.com/privacy)  Amazon Affiliate Disclosure: Tokens Media, LLC is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to Amazon.com. </video> <video> 190: Makoto Fujimura: Art and Faith Description: Makoto Fujimura occupies an unusual intersection of personal realities: He is an abstract expressionist artist who discovered his Christian faith as an art student in Japan. He continually finds himself trying to bridge the divide between religion and art. “I can't really talk about my faith with my artist friends, and I can't talk about art with my Christian friends,” he says. “But for me, it's never been that way.” In this episode, he talks about how he uses traditional Japanese methods of painting — “slow art,” as he calls it — to explore grief, brokenness, and healing.  Show Notes  Resources mentioned this episode:  “Art and Faith: A Theology of Making” by Makoto Fujimura (Yale University Press (https://yalebooks.yale.edu/book/9780300254143/art-and-faith/) )  Examples of Mako’s Paintings (https://makotofujimura.com/art)  The Four Holy Gospels (https://makotofujimura.com/art/portals/four-holy-gospels)  "Silence" by Shūsaku Endō (https://amzn.to/3Dmtq7Q)  Similar NSE episodes:  Drew Holcomb and Audrey Assad: Vulnerable Art (https://www.nosmallendeavor.com/drew-holcomb-and-audrey-assad-vulnerable-art)  Christian Wiman: Poetry Against Despair (https://www.nosmallendeavor.com/christian-wiman-poetry-against-despair)  Poetry as Politics: Poet Laureates Tracy K. Smith and Marie Howe (https://www.nosmallendeavor.com/poetry-as-politics-poet-laureates-tracy-k-smith-and-marie-howe)  Transcription Link (https://www.nosmallendeavor.com/makoto-fujimura-art-and-faith)  This episode of No Small Endeavor is sponsored by Dwell—the audio bible app. To get 25% off your subscription visit dwellbible.com/nse (https://dwellbible.com/nse)  Want more NSE? JOIN NSE+ Today! 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What if there’s a better way to live a full, fruitful life?  "The world is bursting with wonder,” says Oliver Burkeman, “and yet it's the rare productivity guru who seems to have considered the possibility that the ultimate point of all our frenetic doing might be to experience more of that wonder."  In this episode, he discusses his New York Times Bestselling book 4000 Weeks: Time Management for Mortals, dispelling many contemporary ideas about productivity, and instead suggesting a wonder-fueled, counterintuitive method for flourishing in the world. Show Notes  Resources mentioned this episode:  "Four Thousand Weeks" by Oliver Burkeman (https://amzn.to/49GbTUm)  "The Antidote" by Oliver Burkeman (https://amzn.to/41Fmvkq)  “A Testament of Devotion” by Thomas Raymond Kelly (https://amzn.to/407cQPq)    Catherine Andrews, "Why You're Going About Recovering from Perfectionism All Wrong (https://shorturl.at/1k0Dx) "  “Man’s Search for Meaning” by Victor Frankl (https://amzn.to/407Nhhh)  Similar NSE episodes:  Seven Ways to Ruin Your Life: Rebecca DeYoung (https://shorturl.at/9Mahq)  The Ruthless Elimination of Hurry: John Mark Comer (https://shorturl.at/gIamP)  The Power of Sabbath Rest: Judith Shulevitz (https://shorturl.at/aiq3Y)  PDF of Lee's Interview Notes (https://assets.speakcdn.com/assets/2962/oliver_burkeman_interview_notes.pdf)  Transcription Link (https://shorturl.at/zskUE)  Want more NSE? JOIN NSE+ Today! 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What sort of end ought we keep in mind in all our doing and living and being? And how might we get there?  Show Notes  Resources mentioned this episode:  "The Good Life Method" by Meghan Sullivan (https://amzn.to/3OHlwYY)  "On Bullshit" by Harry G. Frankfurt (https://amzn.to/4iou0SM)  “The Will To Believe” by William James (https://bit.ly/4f31rqP)  Similar NSE episodes:  Edith Hall: How Ancient Wisdom Can Change Your Life (https://bit.ly/4fa8rCh)  Charles Duhigg: The Power of Habit (https://shorturl.at/B7DtT)  Rebecca DeYoung: The Seven Deadly Sins (https://shorturl.at/h7Cjq)  Robert Waldinger and Marc Schulz: The Good Life (https://bit.ly/3ZDN5c7)  PDF of Lee's Interview Notes (https://bit.ly/4if217M)  Transcription Link (https://bit.ly/4gl8PyT)  Want more NSE? JOIN NSE+ Today! 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What is true happiness? What are the habits, practices, and dispositions that facilitate human flourishing? Professor Lee C. Camp brings you conversations with those who are taking these questions seriously. No Small Endeavor began in Nashville as “Tokens Show” in 2008, with quarterly live stage shows exploring theology, social ethics, and human flourishing. The Nashville Scene recognized the show as Nashville’s “Best Local Variety Show” which is a “grass-kicking shredfest” that is a “huge success,” with “genre-bending creativity.” In 2020 the show began a long-form interview podcast, which led to weekly public radio broadcasts, distributed nationally on PRX. </video> <video> 186: The Hillbilly Thomists: Bourbon, Bluegrass, and the Bible Description: There aren’t many Billboard-charting bluegrass bands made up entirely of Catholic Dominican Friars, who play their shows clad in white tunics and rosaries. In fact, there is precisely one such band: the Hillbilly Thomists.  “A Thomist is someone who follows the thought and theological teaching of Saint Thomas Aquinas,” they explain. “We combine it with a little bit of humor about our human condition.” In this episode, they talk about their theology and vocation, as well as how they manage life on the road as priests who have taken a vow of poverty. Plus, they give live performances of some of their finest songs.  Show Notes  Resources mentioned this episode:  The Hillbilly Thomists’ Website (https://www.hillbillythomists.com/)  Similar NSE episodes:  N.T. Wright and the Bancroft Brothers: Theology and Poetry (https://www.nosmallendeavor.com/nt-wright-and-the-bancroft-brothers-theology-and-poetry)  Edith Hall: How Ancient Wisdom Can Change Your Life (https://www.nosmallendeavor.com/edith-hall-how-ancient-wisdom-can-change-your-life-bonse)  Drew Holcomb: Fighting Dragons and Singing at Loss (https://www.nosmallendeavor.com/fighting-dragons-and-singing-at-loss-drew-holcomb)  PDF of Lee's Interview Notes (https://assets.speakcdn.com/assets/2962/the_hillbilly_thomists_interview_notes.pdf)  Transcription Link (https://www.nosmallendeavor.com/the-hillbilly-thomists-bourbon-bluegrass-and-the-bible)  Want more NSE? JOIN NSE+ Today! 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What does it mean to live a good life, and how do we start?  On our show, we make it a habit of repeating our tagline: “Exploring what it means to live a good life.” But in this episode, we address the issue head-on, with the help of Notre Dame Professor of Philosophy Meghan Sullivan.  We discuss her book “The Good Life Method,” which gives helpful insight about the kinds of questions philosophers and theologians have been asking for millennia: What does it mean to pursue a life worth living? What sort of end ought we keep in mind in all our doing and living and being? And how might we get there?  Show Notes  Resources mentioned this episode:  "The Good Life Method" by Meghan Sullivan (https://amzn.to/3OHlwYY)  "On Bullshit" by Harry G. Frankfurt (https://amzn.to/4iou0SM)  “The Will To Believe” by William James (https://bit.ly/4f31rqP)  Similar NSE episodes:  Edith Hall: How Ancient Wisdom Can Change Your Life (https://bit.ly/4fa8rCh)  Charles Duhigg: The Power of Habit (https://shorturl.at/B7DtT)  Rebecca DeYoung: The Seven Deadly Sins (https://shorturl.at/h7Cjq)  Robert Waldinger and Marc Schulz: The Good Life (https://bit.ly/3ZDN5c7)  PDF of Lee's Interview Notes (https://bit.ly/4if217M)  Transcript of Abridged Episode (https://bit.ly/4gl8PyT)  Want more NSE? JOIN NSE+ Today! 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He continually finds himself trying to bridge the divide between religion and art. “I can't really talk about my faith with my artist friends, and I can't talk about art with my Christian friends,” he says. “But for me, it's never been that way.” In this episode, he talks about how he uses traditional Japanese methods of painting — “slow art,” as he calls it — to explore grief, brokenness, and healing. Credits: Charis, 2008, 89 x 132 in, Mineral Pigments and Gold on Kumohada Paper. Copyright ©️ 2008 Makoto Fujimura. No reproduction by any process or medium is permissible without the express written permission of Makoto Fujimura. Follow No Small Endeavor Apple | https://tinyurl.com/2p8th9xj Spotify | https://tinyurl.com/yyzuvfc3 YouTube | https://youtube.com/@NoSmallEndeavor Instagram | https://tinyurl.com/2skz2ft7 Twitter | https://tinyurl.com/3tyawwz3 Facebook | https://tinyurl.com/4nfadubh Join our Email List: nosmallendeavor.com About No Small Endeavor What does it mean to live a good life? What is true happiness? What are the habits, practices, and dispositions that facilitate human flourishing? Professor Lee C. Camp brings you conversations with those who are taking these questions seriously. No Small Endeavor began in Nashville as “Tokens Show” in 2008, with quarterly live stage shows exploring theology, social ethics, and human flourishing. The Nashville Scene recognized the show as Nashville’s “Best Local Variety Show” which is a “grass-kicking shredfest” that is a “huge success,” with “genre-bending creativity.” In 2020 the show began a long-form interview podcast, which led to weekly public radio broadcasts, distributed nationally on PRX. </video> <video> 185: Drew Holcomb and Audrey Assad: Vulnerable Art Description: “Sometimes artists have to take a chance and be vulnerable.”  Drew Holcomb and Audrey Assad are two such artists, whose brilliance is in large part due to their vulnerability.  Drew was once heralded by Rolling Stone as “one of Americana’s most popular stars,” and yet he is quick to note that “the human heart was not built for notoriety.” He describes the complex road he took to full-time artistry, his relationship with his fans, the tragic loss of his brother, and more.  Audrey found success in the Christian music industry, until her quest for authenticity and truth led her in a new direction. She shares her story, speaking honestly about traumas and doubts that brought her to where she is now.  Show Notes  Resources mentioned this episode:  Drew’s website (https://www.drewholcomb.com/)  Audrey’s website (https://www.audreyassad.com/)  "The Body Keeps the Score" by Bessel van der Kolk (https://amzn.to/3TJ1PTR)  Similar NSE episodes:  Amy Grant: Fame, Vulnerability, and Staying Grounded (https://www.nosmallendeavor.com/amy-grant-fame-vulnerability-and-staying-grounded)  Christian Wiman: The Opposite of Faith is Certainty (https://www.nosmallendeavor.com/the-opposite-of-faith-is-certainty-christian-wiman)  Joy Oladokun: Listen, Love, and Turn the Other Cheek (https://www.nosmallendeavor.com/listen-love-and-turn-the-other-cheek-joy-oladokun)  Transcription Link (https://www.nosmallendeavor.com/drew-holcomb-and-audrey-assad-vulnerable-art)  Want more NSE? JOIN NSE+ Today! 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It’s a question that, years later, is still a guiding light for her towards healing and truth-seeking. But asking such questions after years as an acclaimed singer-songwriter in the Christian music industry comes at a cost. Today, Audrey discusses her unreleased memoir “Doubt Becomes Wonder: Embracing the Loss of Everything You Thought You Knew.” They discuss healing from childhood wounds, the consequent navigation of doubt, and Audrey’s experience as a woman in the church.  Show Notes  Resources mentioned this episode:  Audrey’s website (https://www.audreyassad.com/)  "The Body Keeps the Score" by Bessel van der Kolk (https://amzn.to/3TJ1PTR)  Similar NSE episodes:  Amy Grant: Fame, Vulnerability, and Staying Grounded (https://www.nosmallendeavor.com/amy-grant-fame-vulnerability-and-staying-grounded)  Christian Wiman: The Opposite of Faith is Certainty (https://www.nosmallendeavor.com/the-opposite-of-faith-is-certainty-christian-wiman)  Joy Oladokun: Listen, Love, and Turn the Other Cheek (https://www.nosmallendeavor.com/listen-love-and-turn-the-other-cheek-joy-oladokun)  Transcript of Abridged Episode (https://www.nosmallendeavor.com/drew-holcomb-and-audrey-assad-vulnerable-art)  Want more NSE? 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It was, to say the least, an immensely difficult time.  Yet, she found her way through it by relying heavily on her tendency to be vulnerable, rather than hiding her pain from others. “It's just fodder for us to be closer,” she says of her suffering. “The point is to connect.” In this episode, she shares her story, along with much wisdom gleaned from a life of leaning into vulnerability.  Show Notes  Resources mentioned this episode:  “Tell Me More” by Kelly Corrigan (https://amzn.to/3Fv9Ofx)  “The Middle Place” by Kelly Corrigan (https://amzn.to/46KAvJ9)  “Tell Me More” on PBS (https://www.pbs.org/show/tell-me-more-kelly-corrigan/)  Kelly Corrigan Wonders Podcast (https://www.kellycorrigan.com/podcast)  Similar NSE episodes:  Amy Grant: Fame, Vulnerability, and Staying Grounded (https://nosmallendeavor.com/blog/Amy-grant)  William Paul Young: Author of The Shack (https://nosmallendeavor.com/blog/paul-young-bestofnse)  Curt Thompson: The Power of Being Known (https://nosmallendeavor.com/blog/curt-thompson)  PDF of Lee's Interview Notes (https://assets.speakcdn.com/assets/2962/kelly_corrigan_interview_notes.pdf)  Transcription Link (https://www.nosmallendeavor.com/kelly-corrigan-the-power-of-vulnerability)  Want more NSE? JOIN NSE+ Today! 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The new podcast, “A Breach Repairer’s Song” uncovers the harmonies of repair and reconciliation, sharing stories of those who use music to inspire change and heal broken spaces. Hosted by Yara Allen and Reverend Dr. William J. Barber II, the show explores the transformative power of song, activism, and justice. The next thing you’ll hear is the first episode of the series, The Power of Music in Social Movements. If you like what you hear, search for “A Breach Repairer’s Song” wherever you’re listening to us and follow the show for more episodes.  Want more NSE? JOIN NSE+ Today! 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There aren’t many Billboard-charting bluegrass bands made up entirely of Catholic Dominican Friars, who play their shows clad in white tunics and rosaries. In fact, there is precisely one such band: the Hillbilly Thomists.  “A Thomist is someone who follows the thought and theological teaching of Saint Thomas Aquinas,” they explain. “We combine it with a little bit of humor about our human condition.” In this episode, they talk about their theology and vocation, as well as how they manage life on the road as priests who have taken a vow of poverty. Plus, they give live performances of some of their finest songs.  Show Notes  Resources mentioned this episode:  The Hillbilly Thomists’ Website (https://www.hillbillythomists.com/)  Similar NSE episodes:  N.T. Wright and the Bancroft Brothers: Theology and Poetry (https://www.nosmallendeavor.com/nt-wright-and-the-bancroft-brothers-theology-and-poetry)  Edith Hall: How Ancient Wisdom Can Change Your Life (https://www.nosmallendeavor.com/edith-hall-how-ancient-wisdom-can-change-your-life-bonse)  Drew Holcomb: Fighting Dragons and Singing at Loss (https://www.nosmallendeavor.com/fighting-dragons-and-singing-at-loss-drew-holcomb)  PDF of Lee's Interview Notes (https://assets.speakcdn.com/assets/2962/the_hillbilly_thomists_interview_notes.pdf)  Transcript of Abridged Episode (https://www.nosmallendeavor.com/the-hillbilly-thomists-bourbon-bluegrass-and-the-bible)  Want more NSE? JOIN NSE+ Today! 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In this episode, he discusses his memoir “An Autobiography of Trauma,” in which he uses his own life story to illustrate his findings.  From a standing meeting with an imagined Albert Einstein, to a host of life-changing dreams, listen as he shares how both his professional research and mystical personal experience have taught him much about the ways our bodies hold trauma, and how we can learn to pay attention to our lives and find healing.  Show Notes  Resources mentioned this episode:  "An Autobiography of Trauma: A Healing Journey" by Peter Levine (https://amzn.to/4e6X0uY)  "Waking the Tiger: Healing Trauma" by Peter Levine (https://amzn.to/3Aa9bJn)  Similar NSE episodes:  Amishi Jha: Push-ups for Your Brain (https://www.nosmallendeavor.com/amishi-jha-pushups-for-your-brain)  Kristin Neff: The Power of Self-Compassion (https://www.nosmallendeavor.com/kristin-neff-self-compassion-bonse)  Tara Brach: Radical Acceptance (https://www.nosmallendeavor.com/tara-brach-acceptance)  Curt Thompson: The Soul of Shame (https://www.nosmallendeavor.com/the-soul-of-shame-curt-thompson)    PDF of Lee's Interview Notes (https://assets.speakcdn.com/assets/2962/20241016_peter_levine_interview_notes.pdf)  Transcript of Abridged Episode (https://www.nosmallendeavor.com/peter-levine-how-the-body-holds-and-heals-trauma)    Want more NSE? 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